Monday, December 3, 2007

Drafting Lawyers?

What to Do With All the Baby Lawyers
Andrew Cohen, Washington Post, December 3, 2007

This front-page article is a classic dog-bites-woman story: about a law student who, after much self-absorbed agonizing, decided to take a high-paying job as an associate at a big law firm instead of taking a public interest position. For generations law students have faced this choice, and typically have made this decision. Still, the story gives me another opportunity to rant against a system of supply and demand that is so warped and twisted it ought to be the subject of a congressional investigation -- a system, you should be reminded, that costs you money. The co-conspirators are law students, law school administrators (who charge outrageous amounts of money for tuition), law firm recruiters (who pay outrageous amounts of money for starting salaries for baby lawyers) and the schmillions of clients out there who accept outrageous litigation costs.

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Wow, what a curious set of thoughts. Having practiced law for many years and taught at a private law school for more years, I agree with some of what Mr. Cohen writes. He is correct, I believe that law school tuition is unnecessary high. In preparing for testimony before a state bar commission on "access to justice," I did a study on tuition increases at my own law school since my student days. Over the period of the study, the consumer price index had quadrupled but tuition had increased ninefold. The quality of the professional education had not increased significantly. Indeed, a pretty good argument could be made that it had decreased because the faculty had become ever more 'eggheaded.' The faculty were not interested much in the practice of law; it was in large measure to escape the onerous demands of the practice of law that they sought refuge in the law school. The curriculum came to include more and more esoteric and liberal arts type courses that may well have been interesting, but realistically were of rather little value as preparation for the practice of law. Tuition kept going up because of the availability of educational loan money, the students' willingness (probably the wrong word in many cases) to incur very large debts, and the university's practice of skimming off a good share of the law school's profits to support things like the graduate program in the theology department. And let us not forget the American Bar Association's role in the steady increase of law school revenues. The ABA entered into a consent decree with the US Justice Department (before it became corrupted) that (if I recall correctly) essentially admitted a form of price-fixing in its accreditation activities. In sum, there is much to be pretty disgusted about in American legal education.

On the other hand, how are these systemic problems helped by conscripting all law school graduates for two years of required service in 'the public sector'? Do you equate, Mr. C., working for the government with working for, e.g., the Salvation Army? And how many conscripted new law grads would do what many new law grads have done for years, i.e., get a job in government that will give them a leg up in getting a job with those law factories you abhor? A stint with the IRS or SEC or EPA can be turned to good use working for a big firm on behalf of big money corporate interests. Lastly, why do you ignore that substantial sector of the legal practice that serves non-corporate clients, the solo practitioners and small firm lawyers who help people with 'personal plights'? Surely the most legally underrepresented sector of American society is not units of government or not-for-profit institutions, but rather middle class and working class citizens who are hard-pressed to afford the services of any competent lawyers. They are the ones paying those inflated prices for products and services that you complain about, Mr. C. How about some help for them while you're conscripting young lawyers?
Posted by: P. Bosley Slogthrop | December 3, 2007 04:46 AM

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Cross posted from Messages on WPost:

2/29/2008 11:26 AM EST 'We are good at fooling ourselves about how important "the issues" are.'
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'A 2005 study, conducted by psychologists at Princeton, showed that it was possible to predict the results of congressional contests by using photographs. Researchers presented subjects with fleeting images of candidates' faces. Those candidates who, in the subject's opinion, looked more ''competent'' won about seventy percent of the time.' [The New Yorker, 25Feb2008, page 79.]

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FergusonFoont:

Comment on: Citing History, Bush Suggests His Policies Will One Day Be Vindicated at 6/9/2008 10:22 AM EDT

Let us not forget that Bush's failures are not confined to his absurd military misadventures, which will be judged particularly harshly by history. His failures are equally clear on the domestic, economic, diplomatic and cultural fronts.

He has presided over the greatest loss in American standards of living since the Great Depression. He has put the dollar in free-fall. He and his party have pandered overtly to racism and xenophobia to the point at which it has fomented civil unrest. He has stifled scientific and technological research. He has destroyed the effectiveness of American "good offices" as tools to mediate international disputes diplomatically. And he has set out in a peculiarly systematic and deliberate way to curtail the civil liberties of American citizens, particularly through his judicial appointments who will continue to permit the abrogation of our rights long after he is just a foul memory.

He has oppressed our people, squandered our wealth, diminished the respect others hold for our nation, consigned us to a future of declining comfort, damaged our public health, polluted our environment perhaps beyond repair. and fought the most unjustifiable wars in American history.

And don't forget, 9/11 happened on BUSH'S watch. We will never again be as stable, wealthy, respected and secure as we would have been had we permitted the man we elected in 2000 to be inaugurated in Bush's stead.

And I haven't even mentioned the unbridled corruption that has characterized his administration top-to-bottom, start-to-finish. They regard honesty as a fault, ethical behavior as an expression of naivete, and strong morals as a risk that you may not remain a "team player."

It will take many years to recover from what Bush has done to us, if indeed we ever can. He has set us on a course of decline that, as far as I know, there has never been a nation throughout history, except briefly the Rome during the period of the "Five Good Emperors," that has ever recovered from such a downward trend.

It is disgusting what this man and those who backed him have done to my country. And I am quite confident that history will agree with me.

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Someone y'all might want to know, WPost UsrID cann4ing, a lawyer, closed 31 pages.

cann4ing was picked from the Friends list of someone who commented on ACLU Might File Suit To End Lunch Prayer
The American Civil Liberties Union is threatening to sue the U.S. Naval Academy unless it abolishes its daily lunchtime prayer, saying that some midshipmen have felt pressured to participate.


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Y'all might want to look at this guy's Washington Post comments: nrringlee closed 19 pages, male, southern CA, day job, unix systems administrator, King of C language programming. Retired Marine. MOS 0311, raggedy posteriored rifleman. I was the longest serving, highest paid Lance Corporal in the history of the Marine Corps. aka J. S. Theragman, Semper Fidelis

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Here's a comment from another source on the economy:

Daddy Won't Make Everything Better

Through this crisis, there's this underlying narrative that something can be done, that there's just a wee liquidity problem. But underlying all of this is the fact that banks made a bunch of stupid loans which aren't being repaid. A bunch of people made highly leveraged investments in securities backed by those loans. A bunch of other people sold insurance on those securities and related debt.

Lots of money is being lost and there isn't any way to fix that.

-Atrios 09:11

[http://www.eschatonblog.com/2008_09_14_archive.html#6349319315986727499]

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Credit default swaps are insurance. Under insurance law, which Wall St skirted by renaming, CDSs would be regulated for capital requirements. Insurance companines have fought forever to prevent national regulation, they prefer to be regulated by the states, divide and conquer. NY Insurance regulators should have stepped in and regulated their providers as insurance companies.

- horsec, GovtWork